# Heat Loss Calculator for ProMaster Camper Van Conversion -- Insulated and Not Insulated

 This calculator allows you to experiment with different types of insulation packages for your camper van conversion, and to see how they compare on reducing heat loss (or gain) for the van. This could help you size your furnace or AC, size your heating fuel tank, and to determine how much heating fuel different insulation strategies may use over a few days.   Go back to the main camper van conversion page...

The calculator is an Excel spreadsheet. You will need Excel (or something runs Excel files) on your computer to run it.

## Using the Calculator

This is a sample output from the spreadsheet. It shows the heat loss for a non-insulated van in blue compared to my van insulation package in orange.

This is a copy of the spreadsheet table:

 Tinside 70 Toutside 32 Back Section: Uninsulated Van Insulated Van Item Area(sf) Rvalue UA Heat Loss(BTU/hr) Rvalue UA Heat Loss(BTU/hr) % Reduction Floor 61.7 1.00 61.70 2345 7.50 8.23 313 87% Ceiling 55.5 1.00 55.50 2109 8.05 6.89 262 88% Walls 83.3 1.00 83.30 3165 8.05 10.35 393 88% Wall Windows 11.7 1.00 11.70 445 3.00 3.90 148 67% Sliding Door 25.5 1.50 17.00 646 8.05 3.17 120 81% Back Doors 25 1.50 16.67 633 8.05 3.11 118 81% Back Windows 8 1.00 8.00 304 3.00 2.67 101 67% Roof Vent 1.4 1.00 1.40 53 1.00 1.40 53 0% Cab Section: Cab Windows 27.3 1.00 27.30 1037 3.00 9.10 346 67% Cab Roof, floor, doors,… 30 3.00 10.00 380 3.00 10.00 380 0% Air Changes: Volume(cf) ACH Heat Loss(BTU/hr) ACH Heat Loss(BTU/hr) Reduction Infiltration All 550 0.50 176 0.50 176 0% Total (BTU/hr) 11293 2410 79% Gal Propane/hr (70%efic) 0.175 0.037

This shows the window and vent arrangement on the van used for the heat loss calc. There are two PM windows in back door, and one window on the opposite side that is same as larger window on this side.

## Some Notes On How R Values Were Estimated

This goes over how I estimated the insulation R values for my particular insulation package -- it may be helpful in determining R values for your insulation package. There is also some more information on estimating R values for various insulation types in the next section.

#### Metal Walls/Floors/Ceilings:

The sheet metal has negligible R value itself, but it does have air layers on the inside and outside that do have an R value. I used the same convention that is usually used in doing window R values, which is a still air layer on the inside with an R value of 0.7 and a moving air layer on the outside with an R value of 0.3 -- if you park in a calm area, you get an automatic R value boost of 40% because you get two still air layers instead of one :)

#### Windows:

Windows are done in the same way as the metal panels -- R0.7 inside + R 0.3 outside = R1.

This is pretty much the standard for a single glazed window.

#### Floor:

The floor is done by the usual process of adding up the R values of each layer to get a total R value:

1. Outside air layer (moving) = R0.3
2. Sheet metal = R0
3. 1 inch Polyiso rigid foam insulation = R6
4. 1/4 inch plywood = R0.4
5. 1/8 inch Vinyl = R0.2
6. Inside air (still) = R0.7

R total = 0.3 + 0.0 + 6 + 0.4 + 0.2 + 0.7 = R7.6

#### Wall and Ceiling:

The floor is done by the usual process of adding up the R values of each layer to get a total R value:

1. Outside air layer (moving) = R0.3
2. Sheet metal = R0
3. 1 inch Polyurethane spray foam insulation = R6
4. air layer = R0.7
5. 1/4 inch plywood = R0.4
6. Inside air (still) = R0.7

R total = 0.3 + 0.0 + 6 + 0.7 + 0.4 + 0.7 = R8.1

#### Air Infiltration:

Infiltration of cold outside air into to the van is a heat loss in that it requires the furnace to heat the incoming cold air up.

I used an air infiltration rate of 0.5 air changes per hour. The actual infiltration rate may be significantly different than this, but it does not appear that this would have a large impact on the total heat loss.

## R Value Notes

Accuracy: Real heat transfer is very complicated and depends on more factors than you would ever want to try to keep track of. These one dimensional engineering approximation calculations are just that -- approximations. If they end up being within 20%, that would be a good day. But, they are still a lot better than nothing and lots of practical heat transfer design problems are worked successfully with nothing more.

R values for many insulating and building materials:

Estimating R values of assemblies...

Claims: The claims of manufacturers insulating materials should be looked on with a healthy dose of skepticism. The published values for things like fiberglass, polystyrene, polyurethane, plywood, ... are well established and reliable, but when you start getting into things that rely on reflective or low esmissivity layers or "space age" developments be careful -- look for third party lab tests and for reviews by qualified impartial observers.

Reflective Layers: For insulation that incorporate a reflective layer to improve R value, the reflective surface has to face an airspace to be effective. The reflective layer(s) also have to stay reflective over time. For example, radiant barriers in attics lose effectiveness as dust settles on them.

Other Factors: R value is not by any means the only important thing to look for in insulation -- it has to handle (and maybe control) the moisture levels in the cavities, handle high temperatures, stand up to the mechanical strains of a moving vehicle, not make a lot of noise, ... And, it would be nice if it also cut down noise levels.

If you look on the ProMaster and Sprinter forums, there are dozens of theories on how best to insulate van cavities -- good luck on trying to make sense of it all. It would be nice if the forum community could organize some actual thermal performance tests and evaluate long term durability and moisture performance of various insulation schemes.

Thermal performance tests of a van insulation package can could be done with nothing more than an electric space heater, a KillAWatt meter and a couple thermometers -- you basically just need to know how much power it takes to keep a van at a constant inside temperature for a known outside temperature.

## Insulation Package Impact for Me

Some quick observations about the insulated vs non-insulated configurations:

The idea that it does not make sense to insulate the metal walls/ceiling/floor because you have big windows does not pan out. The big losers are the huge metal surfaces and even if you don't insulate the windows at all, you can achieve very large reductions in heat loss by insulating walls/floors/ ceiling. I believe that this logic comes from home building where typically windows make up a lot of the home heat loss because they are poorly insulated and walls are well insulated -- in the van, everything starts out very poorly insulated, so it pays to insulate everything.

My insulation package achieves an about 80% reduction in heat loss. For me, on winter trips, this is enough to 1) allow a much smaller furnace even for very cold temperatures, 2) achieve a week or so of operation on one small five gallon propane tank, and 3) save a few bucks on heating fuel. The small furnace and small propane tank free up valuable space in the van.

But, the pros and cons will be different for everyone's unique situation.